Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:John F. Kennedy Memorial, Grand Army Plaza

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Files in Category:John F. Kennedy Memorial, Grand Army Plaza

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The busts was completed in 2010 by Neil Estern (1926–2019). There is no freedom of panorama in the United States for non-architectural works. The copyright term of the country lasted for 70 years, and the image can be undeleted in 2090.

A1Cafel (talk) 16:35, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete The original monument was dedicated in 1965, which might have possibly made it copyright-free as being publicly installed before 1978. However, reading on the history of the monument ([1] [2]), it was resculpted by Estern based off the original model in 2010, so it isn't the exact same sculpture. Unfortunate. Opencooper (talk) 17:05, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - If Estern was not the original sculptor, then the new version is not copyrightable. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:08, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • If the 2010 bust was a slavish recreation of the original, then the question would turn on the original copyright. But, presuming that this is the original bust, and relying on the reports given above, it appears that the 2010 bust is a new sculpture, done along the lines of the original but with no intent to completely, directly copy it. In my eyes, the old bust and the new bust are different sculptures, even though they are clearly representing the same person in the same way and in the same manner. Thus, the 2010 bust gets new copyright, which keeps it out of the public domain. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 04:31, 6 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Keep. I've went back and forth thinking about this one. The WSJ article talks about using a plaster cast of the original clay sculpture, which suggests a slavish copy. The sculptor then took that slavish copy and added some touch-ups. To quote from the WSJ article: "'The neck was too slender here, where it meets the collar,' he said. 'The temples were too deep. I filled them.'". The threshold of originality is low for sculpture in the United States and I don't doubt that these changes could attract a copyright protection of sorts. The issue is that the public domain slavish sculpture copy is still "showing through" for the vast majority of the sculpture. I'm of the opinion that these changes would be de minimis unless for some reason a photographer would zoom in on the new material. IronGargoyle (talk) 21:28, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Kept: per IronGargoyle, a copy with de minimis changes from a pre-1978 original, which is in PD by now per COM:USA. --Ellywa (talk) 21:10, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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